Bloodclot have a long and storied history in New York hardcore, led as they are by vocalist John Joseph of the mighty Cro-Mags alongside guitarist Todd Youth (formerly of Warzone and Murphys Law), drummer Joey Castillo (Queens Of The Stone Age, BL’AST) and bassist Nick Oliveri (Kyuss, Queens Of The Stone Age, Dwarves). The bands superb new album Up In Arms is out now and is an intense slab of hardcore fury reminiscent of the Cro-Mags in their prime. We had a great chat with John Jospeh and talked about how this lineup of the band and the album came together, the power and influence of Bad Brains, hardcore and New York City, his books and the trials and tribulations he has faced and overcame in his life as well as the Cro-Mags and why their classic lineup will never, ever get back together.
You’ve had the name Bloodclot as a band since the early 80s, how did the current incarnation of the band get together?
The band in 80,81, the Bad Brains roadies, we formed a band out on the road on their first tour and because they were Rastafarians, they used the word bloodclot a lot when shit was going wrong, fix the bloodclot this, the bloodclot that, get that bloodclot guy off the stage, stuff like that. It means in patois that things are fucked up, it’s a curse so because I was the singer of the band and there were a few Johns in the scene in New York, they called me John from Bloodclot, John Bloodclot and then Bloodclot but the name came from me being in the band, not vice versa. I would never name a band after myself, that’s for narcissists haha. The current lineup, Todd had music and he filled in for a Cro-Mags show because AJ who’s been with us since 92 had a family emergency and couldn’t do a show so rather than bail, I called up Todd and said, hey man, do you know these songs, I sent him the setlist and he said, I know every fucking note so he flew out from LA to North Carolina, killed it and he said I’ve been writing this music, I’ll send it to you when I get home. One song, Manic, I heard that shit, I left the fucking gym and went and wrote the lyrics to it, that’s when music inspires you, it hits you like fucking kick to the face, it’s like BAM! Then we added Joey and Nick and we got the demo done and a bunch of labels were interested, my friend knew Brian Slagel from Metal Blade, he heard it and he flew out to New York to meet with myself and Michael Alago, the famous executive producer dude, he signed Metallica so his speciality is getting bands what they deserve and he did that, Metal Blade was really cool and we’ve got Michael managing us. We’ve got 140 years of music experience in this band so they knew, based on the demo, that we were going to give them a kickass record and they let us do our thing and were very cool to us and here we are talking.
Having listened to the album and it’s absolutely fantastic. The opening track Up In Arms is really in your face, was it vital to kick off the album with such a blast of adrenaline?
Yeah man, we want to come out the box swinging, that’s what I think you should do. We’re all fans of Motorhead, Discharge, Bad Brains. Nobody can say I came out and never listened to any other music and go and write a record because that’s a record I ain’t ever going to listen to. Everybody is influenced by somebody, that’s what music is about, the ball keels rolling, bands inspire other bands, that’s what it’s all about and me and Todd kept on saying from day one that we want to do a record where you don’t skip a song. Nowadays and I’m not saying this about hardcore, even in hip hop or whatever it’s like there’s one it two songs on a record that you want to listen to and the rest is just filler and we didn’t want filler. We wanted every fucking song. We spent a year making this review man, it wasn’t a hack job, you know like let’s take some money from the label and do a shit record, we really put our blood, sweat, tears and guts into every song on this record. Joey killed it, Todd killed it and Nick is a fucking beast on bass. I think when you do something and you’re all in, like I’m writing this book about PMA and how we get to where we want to be in life and one of the chapters that I wrote a whole thing on is to be all in. You have to be committed to whatever you’re doing and all your energy and your positive focus needs to go into that thing and then, when you do that you’ll have the result that you’re desiring. I know music is subjective and not everybody might not like record but hey, I did my best man. I did my best and so did the rest if those guys.
When is the PMA book coming out?
I don’t know right now. I’m meeting with some publishers but here’s the deal man, I’ve always been a DIY person. I released The Evolution of a Cro-Magnon, we did ten thousand copies on our own, I released Meat Is For Pussies on my own, it got picked up by Harper Collins, they gave me a pretty fucking big book deal on that but I’ll send it around, whatever and if not I’ll put the motherfucker out myself! I would say,in the next five to six months for people. I got a cookbook coming out cos I’ve been in Vice, I cook and I lived the lifestyle and I learned how to cook, starting from the Bad Brains cooked in 81 so I kept on going with my shit and that’s just another fucking iron in the fire so to speak.
A lot of the album, Kill The Beast and Soldiers Of New Babylon especially, as you mentioned, have a big Bad Brains influence. With your history with the Bad Brains, they must have been a big influence on the record?
Soldiers Of The New Babylon was written by AJ Novello, we wanted him to contribute a song to the record and Kill The Beast was an original Bloodclot song because Jay Dublee who started Bloodclot was the Bad Brains sound and he did the first record, he did the ROIR cassette, the best hardcore of all motherfucking time, hands down,nobody could even come close to that shit and he let the Bad Brains stay at the studio, I stayed at the studio. I was there when they made the whole record. Jay Dublee passed away from cancer a few years back and we wanted to, if we we were going to use the name, we wanted to show respect for our fallen comrade and we put on that song. That songs about, what is the beast? The beast is false ego so Kill The Beast, it’s about when motherfuckers get big heads, that’s a poison in this world so that’s what that song is dealing with but like I said, there’s Bad Brains influences in there no doubt. We love the Bad Brains, we love Motorhead, we love Discharge. I love the Cro–Mags shit, the first shit anyway not when they blatantly tried to sell out and be one a metal band, the early shit you know.
What were the Bad Brains like when they played live. They’re one of the bands I’ve never seen and would still love to but seeing them back then must have been incredible?
Just put on Bad Brains at CBGB in 1982 and you’ll see why everybody goes crazy for those cats man. I saw them in April of 1980, I was in the Navy in Norfolk and went to see them play at this punk rock club called the Taj Mahal and a week earlier the Teen Idles and Untouchables played there and the Bad Brains came the week after that so it was a double dose of fucking hardcore punk.
What was the vibe like in the studio when you were recording the album?
It was amazing man, here’s the deal, the way that the recording happened, Todd had sent me those songs and we were trying to figure the fuck out how we were going to get in there to make this demo so I went out to LA to do a half Iron Man down in San Diego and I injured my leg threw weeks before the race. I went to LA anyway with my bike and all my fucking gear and I stayed off the leg, tested it but it was shot.I called up Todd and said hey man can you get some studio time, I’m gonna be in LA but I’m not going out to do the race, I’m here the whole ten days so he called up NRG which is in the Valley and they gave us free time and the engineer worked for free. It was like a spec deal, if you guys get a deal come back and show love and do the record here so we said, yeah that’s what we’re gonna do. The vibe was tremendous, we went into the studio and where we did the demo, it had all this Indian artwork, it was incredible. We had some people come in and chant mantras to purify the atmosphere. Making the record, the vibe was just fucking unbelievable. The vibe was wonderful man, there was no fucking backstabbing, none of the bullshit I’ve had to deal with over the years with other fucking individuals. Everybody was cool, nobody had an ego. We worked together and made the best record we could and it’s all love, it’s family. I wouldn’t even have been here without the band, it’s motherfuckers who I want to get in a van or a tourbus and do shows with. The vibe in the studio was tremendous, it reflected that on the record too. There was a lot of good vibes you know.
What has the reaction to Bloodclot been like so far?
All the press have fucking really been digging the record. People were like, this is what the second Cro–Mags record should have sounded like. The reception to it has been wonderful. We even played a show, we did the Festival Of The Riff in LA , which is a big two day festival. Neurosis played and Nails played the second day and nobody even knew who the fuck we were! We went out and played the record and the floor just opened the fuck up and people were going berserk without even knowing the music. We’re excited for when the record comes out, July 14th. We have a US tour coming with Negative Approach, it’s all across the U.S. And then we end in LA with three or four shows with Nails as well on the bill. We’re very happy with it man, we just got an offer to play a huge festival too. We’re just keeping it going man, staying positive, that’s it.
After the Negative Approach tour, have you got any other touring plans? Hopefully you’ll make it across to the UK at some point.
Yeah, we’re going to come over in the fall, definitely that’s on the radar and then next year, play the festivals. I just did the Outbreak Fest in Leeds with Cro–Mags and that shit was berserk. I told them I’ve got this record out and they said, bro whenever so we’ll be coming back over there and kicking some butt and we have touring plans for Europe too. The music scene for this type of music is really happening in Europe, much more so than the States. People come out in the big cities but you know, there’s motherfuckers listening to emo, screamo, death metal but not this type of music.
What are your thoughts on hardcore and New York hardcore in 2017?
Oh it’s happening, it’s packed. Tonight’s the premiere of the New York Hardcore Chronicles film that Drew Stone did, I’m going to see that. There was the Black N Blue Bowl. Shows still get packed in the city, New Yorks happening man, people come out to the shows, there’s a lot of great shows in Long Island, Jersey, Phillys great. New Yorks always been a fucking dope spot to see shows. We really try to play all ages venues because a lot of older dudes will be appreciative and stand back but the kids at the front go off you know and make the show, the show! They make the show better for the old dogs who want to stand at the back.
Will you still be touring with the Cro Mags in the future and will you ever do another album with the band?
It’s not main staple, we may come to Europe, play a festival once a year or whatever. Maybe play some shows in LA in the new year. What’s being talked online and the actual situation that’s been going down is completely bullshit.five of the shows we did in a row we’re all be fit concerts, one of which was for Dr Know from the Bad Brains. I signed a quarter of a million dollar publishing deal for my book, I don’t need to do the Cro–Mags to make money, I do it to have a good time, hand the mic to the next young backs that want to get onstage and sing and have a good time doing it. That’s why who’s in the band is in the band. Who stole money from every single tour, ratted me out to the government for being AWOL. The shit that’s gone down, people get killed for a lot less! Let me just put it to you that way. The amount of money that was stolen and they tried to put me in federal prison which Harley did and I forgave him in 2000, thinking everything was cool and we were brothers and buried the hatchet. All these people that talk shit, they just believe it because I don’t respond to that shit online because people know the real fucking story of what went down. He stole from Parris too, that’s why Parris stopped playing with him. If you want to believe the science fiction book that he put out, with the lies and bullshit and the shit he talks online, hey man that’s on you. I don’t need to respond to that, to none of it. The whole thing that happened at Webster Hall, that was the press blowing it out of proportion. None of that shit happened, there were no stabbings, nothing. The dude fell on his knife when he tried to run out and slit his knee. I mean, people need to get a grip and get a life.if you want to believe the fucking straight up lies and bullshit that dude talks, trying to discredit me and whatever, I don’t really give a fuck. You know what, the music speaks for itself. We just did five shows down south and some on the west coast, every show was sold out to capacity,we were turning motherfuckers away so people know the real deal. People trying to create a persona on social media and talk lies and talk bullshit about how tough they are and this and that, it’s all smoke and mirrors. The last time I forgave that dude for all that shit he did, after I knocked his ass out at CBGBs. He even told me he deserved it, he deserved a lot worse which is true. He came back to the band in 2000, his wife was pregnant and they needed money and as a brother, I said alright and within a month I’d put over seven thousand dollars cash in that dudes pocket because I’m hooked up to all the big agents, everybody works with me because I don’t burn bridges and I’m not a dickhead to people. He had a whole premeditated plan to fuck me over and he even said “the beef ain’t over motherfucker, I’m just here for the pay check” and I said “how about I turn around and beat the fucking shit out of you and give you the real beating you deserve”. Then he tried to start a big riot at Hellfest with Hatebreed, this crew was storming the stage, we had fucking riot cops on stage with batons and shields because they were going to storm the stage and beat us down, from that dude talking shit. Afterwards he punked out from fighting this one dude, they were going to jump him and I took his back. I said “nah man that’s not going to happen, I know he should get his ass kicked coz he’s an asshole but I’m not just going to watch that happen”, so he sent one dude out to fight him. He was my size and Harley punked out, goes in the van and then he starts saying the shits over. We’ve got tickets booked to Australia and Japan, if you want to quit, quit but my friend put twenty five thousand dollars on his credit card for plane tickets and everything else. You agreed to do the tour, so he said get someone else, whatever. The real deal, coz G Man told me, the drummer, said he’s planning to fuck you over, he’s not going, he’s just telling you he is and threats when I said I’m not walking onstage with that motherfucker again and we continued on and we started the band in 81. If you look at my new book, the timeline is right there. John Skinhead, original singer, August 81 so you wanna believe lies, you want to believe bullshit from a motherfucker who’s done so much grimy shit to everyone in this ducking fucking band, when does a snitch, a rat, get a fucking pass, that’s punk rock? You snitched on people, you snitched on the dude who was honouring the contract that you got me in involved with from Century Media after you stole fifteen thousand dollars from the bands bank account. Motherfuckers need to wake up and if they don’t and they want to believe all that bullshit that dude writes, then don’t go to the fucking show. Some asshole comes to the show in San Francisco, paid to get in by the way, and then talks shit. Motherfucker you don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about, we didn’t burn nobody. I got just as much claim to the name as he does. He didn’t come up with the name, Mugger from Black Flag did. He quit and we went on, so fuck you and if you don’t linked it and you’re going to do something, out your fucking hands up homie. Don’t come at me on some negative shit, like getting in my space coz then, all that Internet shit don’t mean nothing, all the shit that’s being talked is just ridiculous so I had to clear the air on that because there’s a lot of shit being talked, a lot of lies being told in that book and a lot of lies being told onstage. If you want to see the original singer, who sang on the Cro-Mags record, every one part from Best Wishes because he stole all the tour money at the end of that tour, the you come and see that lineup. I’m not the bass player, I’m the singer, I’m the original singer. I’m the motherfucker that wrote that shit, that sings on that shit so that’s all I’ve got to say on that. You’ll never see me talk shit as a matter of fact I dedicate songs onstage to all the former members of the Cro-Mags. I never talk shit online, I never talk shit onstage but if you’ve got something you want to get off your chest, motherfucker you know where to find me, all that bullshit, you know where to find me, so ain’t nobody ringing my motherfucking ringing bell. All that tough guy bullshit talk, real motherfuckers don’t talk shit. I have friends who fight in the UFC. I have friends who are special forces commandos. They don’t talk shit, they don’t have to, they’re not trying to convince anybody that they’re tough. Like I said, you want to have a good time and see a great show, come out and see Cro-Mags, come out and see Bloodclot in support of the new record. We don’t come out and talk no bullshit, we just play the songs that everybody wants to hear, not some metal shit. Crush The Demoniac, I wrote that shit, I wrote the lyrics on that and he jerked me on Best Wishes, he jerked the dude that wrote the rest of the lyrics on Best Wishes. If you want to read the real Cro-Mags story then all you’ve got to do is pick up my book Evolution Of A Cro-Magnon, that is the real fuckin history and that’s why we feel 100% entitled to play any songs and call it the Cro-Mags and do whatever the fuck we want. Those that don’t agree and want to side with the lies and the science fiction and the bullshit then go fucking see him sing, I don’t give a fuck! People still come to our shows coz they know the real deal. If I was a scumbag and we were scumbags and if what he writes was the real truth, our shows would be empty. If we were responsible for doing the shit he claims we did, why are people coming to our shows?! Why are shows sold the fuck out, because people know the history of that dude and anybody who’s had to deal with him know who’s telling the truth and who’s full of shit. He says to this day he didn’t rat me out, meanwhile Jimmy Gestapo has him on tape saying that he did, he called Jimmys house and fucking admitted it so you wanna believe bullshit, fine, don’t come to the show, thats what I say. We do t start no shit with nobody but let me tell you something, we’re very capable of handling our own and we don’t roll with that, we roll with the PMA, man, that what I roll with in Bloodclot, that’s how we do things. I’ve got mad people who work with me, that’s because I do right by people, I treat people the way I wanna be treated, it’s called mutual respect. You know why the band broke up in the first place? Get my book, read what Dave Hahn said, that Harley acted like a dickhead and shitted all over his band members, that’s why the band broke up. That was in 81 and he’s still going on and then you’ve got dudes who ain’t even from the hardcore scene playing with him now, it’s like fine, go ahead and do your thing dude. Let the music do the talking, not your fucking little tweets online. Be a fucking man and don’t talk shit, you got a problem, come find me, we’ll fucking take care of it, you’ll see what the deal is when that happens. That’s all I got to say on that and that’s because, once again when I quit the band in 87 and he asked me not to say I quit the band because he stole the money and had to go on and continue to go on and sing in the band, I said you know what man , I should tell everybody in the press that you fucking robbed me, you robbed your own brother and made me come home on Christmas and left me homeless coz I couldn’t pay my rent, I should tell everybody that shit but you know what, I won’t. Just give me credit on the record for the shit I wrote. You know what he does. He goes on tour and I start to see in magazines when he out on the Best Wishes tour, that he kicked me out of the band because I was a drug addict and didn’t even thank me for writing Crush The Demoniac, that’s the kind of person you’re dealing with and I cleared the air up the then and that’s what I’m doing now. Once gain I’ve got to tell people the real fucking truth. That’s why the shit fell apart when him and Parris were playing together, he was going under Parris mattress every day of the tour and the other band on the tour said to Parris they didn’t want to start shit but every time you go off the bus, Harley goes under your mattress with his girlfriend and steals the fucking money out of your bed. Parris walks up to him and says why didn’t take the money, I talk to Parris, I’m not friends with him, but we dont have no beef lets just put it that way, and Parris said why are you taking the money, just ask, it’s your money too , you don’t have to steal it and he said I just wanted you to know I could take it motherfucker if I wanted too. What kind of shit attitude is that. We’re in the studio making a record, he’s like this is the way it is, we’re donating the publishing to my charity, if you don’t like it turn in your letter of resignation motherfuckers, I don’t care, like what kind of shit is that to say to people when you’re in the studio making a record, Alpha Omega and then stealing all the money that Century Media gave us to buy gear and you don’t have to believe me, ask Century Media if the money was taken from the bank account, they’ll tell you. All of this shit then he comes out and everybody’s like get back together, fuck that! It’ll never fucking happen, motherfuckers will be in diapers and strollers waiting for that to happen! After you burn me three times, it’s hasta la vista motherfucker! I hope that answers all the questions for everybody that writes to me saying why don’t you guys bury the hatchet, there ain’t no hatchet on my head. I’m at the point of, I don’t even give a fuck about motherfuckers that hate them, I don’t hate anybody, I just don’t deal with them and that’s where Mackie is too and he was like if you ever got that motherfucker back in the band you’d better get yourself another drummer and AJ said that too because AJ was playing when Harley was in the band and he says that dudes despicable. Always read between the lines, that’s where you find the fucking truth, like I said, I’m dealing with these guys, the studio time that we did was beautiful, we made a killer fucking record. Joey, Todd and Nick are amazing people, great musicians and we had a great time and the vibe came across in the record.
Well it’s a fantastic record!
Thank you man I appreciate that.
Your book that you mentioned, Evolution Of A Cro Magnon is amazing. How did it feel revisiting g the ups and downs that you have encountered in your life?
I’m gonna tell you man, I didn’t go from the point where I was at in the 80s to I’m now all super positive, PMA dude. There was a lot of monsters to destroy from where I was back then to where I am now. It was a daily process of working on myself. I was just writing the screenplay and the first thirty minutes takes place in the foster home and still to this day, I break down about the shit that was done to me and my brothers. It’s painful and it doesn’t go away. You learn how to deal with it but it never goes away. I choose to deal with it by training and being positive and helping other people but the pain don’t go away, it’s still there, those emotions of what I went through for six years, you want to talk about hard times motherfucker, shit don’t get no harder than that. There’s still painful memories but there’s a lot of good memories too. Revisiting it, you’re writing from the inside out, that’s what my writing teacher says, get on the inside of each character and write from their perspective. How do you think I’m feeling when I’m writing from the perspective from when I was seven years old being abused? It’s not good but it gave me the fighting spirit when I hit the streets of New York in 76/77/78, I was like ain’t nobody gonna put their hands on me again and it happened when I was locked up for almost two years too. Fighting 171A too, when the punk rockers bitched up and didn’t want the Hitmen. Who took off his chain and beat the shit out of them, knocked motherfuckers out, fought for the scene and got stabbed in the shoulder. All of those punks ran, they locked me out of the studio so that’s what happens man. My writing teacher said something very important to me, he said it’s not what happens to somebody, it’s what they do as a result of it. As painful as it is, there were still amazing times. I can go back to remember the night I met the Bad Brains at the Taj Mahal and the effect it had on my life. The PMA and the yoga, getting up every day in a Hare Krishna temple, doing the chanting and positive stuff to work on myself. There’s a lot of shit that carries me across the finish line on those Iron Mans, I’m revising all those painful moments and the little boy I race for gives me inspiration. He’s fighting a terrible, horrible, painful disease. I use all of that as an impetus when I write lyrics. These guys wrote songs with a high velocity, man! You gotta have the emotion to match what they did. There’s painful writing but I’m working on a punk rock comedy too based in funny shit. I’ve got a bunch of stuff, I love to write, it’s what I do you know but there’s a lot of shit that you’ve hit to deal with in that process. The essence of the film goes through decades and it’s about the relationship beyond all the streets and the Cro-Mags. The drugs and the shootings and the stabbings, the murders right in front of my eyes. The essence of this movie is about a mother and her sons, that’s what this movie is about because that was the inciting incident. We got taken away and put in a fucking abusive foster home. My mother had her own set of problems to deal with that I didn’t even find out til I was 40. It’s in the book man, my father raped her, he’s a rapist. He broke in and raped my mother and that’s how I was conceived and even my little brother too but the cops couldn’t even touch him cos he was this famous boxer in New York City, they said how can it be rape, you guys are still married. Meanwhile he payed child support, she cancels the cheque and he breaks in and breaks her nose and her jaw, takes all the money and leaves her with three kids and not a dime to feed us. That’s the type of shit I ain’t get told til I was writing the book, a lot of painful shit was surfacing and I confronted her one day and we both broke down on the phone sobbing and she told me she was raped. Think about that, a twenty one year old woman with three kids, raped for two of them and has no way to feed them, running into depression and pills and everything else. It’s not just one sided, that’s what I say, the essence of the book and the film is really the relationship between me, my mom and my brothers and what we had to go through because the man couldn’t be a man, he was a coward. That’s why, when he called me in 1999 I said I’m not meeting you, you better fucking hope I never see you pal, you better hope I never run into you. I’m never fucking forgiving you for what you did to my mother, not even to us, I thanked him in the opening of the book, thanks for being a dickhead asshole because it made me who I am, but I’m not giving you a pass on what you did to my mom. You’re going to catch a beating, maybe not in this life because he’s pretty much close to death I hear but he’s going to pay for that shit, trust me. Karma is some real shit.
Talking of New York, how do you feel about the continuing gentrification of the city?
Oh man, that shits been a rap since the eighties. I don’t even pay it no mind. I just do my thing, I live with my girl, we travel and I dint have to deal with these fucking yuppies and guys who think they’re tough because they get tattoos up to their eyeballs over a month period and it don’t mean shit. Everything you see in society is a reflection upon the values that people are adhering to and this whole bullshit is part of it. You still got to watch your back, there’s still assholes out there doing shit man. I stopped a motherfucker the other night from stealing these two girls bicycles. There’s always going to be something but I don’t really pay attention to it. I have this beautiful thing where I can escape to my film and write and you know what, when people say, how do you sit there for six hours, I say yo, all my characters are alive and they’re way more interesting than the motherfuckers walking the streets of New York now. My characters live in me and I’m bringing them to the page, to the screen. I wrote a pilot, I got signed to Howie Tennebaum, that’s the guy who represents the guy who wrote Breaking Bad. I write a TV pilot for a show about the cop who took down the angel dust trade. He couldn’t believe it, he was like dude this is the craziest, realist shit. I get a lot of scripts and I just want to say, it was fucking incredible to read your script. That’s cos I put the work in, same with music, with film, anything. Anything you put the work into, the effort you put in, that’s what you get out in the end. Even with Bloodclots Up In Arms, we spent a year making the record, like I said, it wasn’t a hack job. We lived with that fucking record for a year. Remixing, rewriting shit, redoing a bassline here and there, whatever I could do to make it a piece of art that stands on its own. Don’t be a fucking hack, that’s what I tell these kids when they walk up and hand me their cd. I’m like man, you want me to be honest? Go listen to more music than hardcore because if all you listen to is hardcore, you’re gonna do the same bullshit that everyone else is doing and had been doing for thirty fucking years. I do t want to hear a regurgitated Cro-Mags or Agnostic Front or Bad Brains riff or Black Flag or whatever. Do you, do your own shit. Listen to music, be a student of music. The way I’m a a student of music, I’ll be playing Miles Davis, Theolonius Monk, Stevie Wonder, James Brown, Metallica, Led Zeppelin, everything dude! Jazz, reggae, you name it! We love music, you have love music otherwise you’re going to be playing music when you’re eighteen and then you’re going to be like, yeah it’s time to get real about life. People said that shit to me in the eighties, you’re still playing music? When are you going to get real about life? Those are the same motherfuckers that come back now with mid life crisises doing reunions! You don’t use punk as a doormat, let’s go bang some broads and make some dough and relive our past, that’s bullshit dude. You’re either with this shit or you ain’t, step off and go do your 9-5, live your life of desperation in the suburbs and fuck off! That’s not what this musics about, this is a movement and it has been since day one. That’s why I’ve got respect for the Sick Of It Alls and the Agnostic Fronts. Even the Murphys Laws and the rest of the bands, they’ve never stopped doing it. Say why you want, you might not like their shit but they’re true to it and they never stopped. They’ve been playing for fucking decades and you ain’t ever gonna see a bad Sick Of It All show or a bad AF show or a bad Cro-Mags show, this line up haha!
Are you still doing the walking tours in New York?
Yeah,and you know what? People love that shit, I got on the news with it. It’s the history of crime. A lot of the crime shit that went down. The music, the art and the whole shit. We get good crowds coming down and it’s cool. I tell a lot of stories, a lot of personal anecdotes. We meet motherfuckers out there, like that’s such and such gangster and they come over and say “If I saw you down here forty years ago, I make you walk home with no shoes on your feet!” It’s an experience man and it’s fun, I love doing it. It’s a great thing.i do t get to do it as much because I’m either out of town with one band or the other, touring or I’m on vacation with my lady so I think the next ones in August.
Well thank you very much John, that’s been absolutely brilliant and I can’t wait to see the band when you make it over.
No problem man, and we’ll see you soon.